and effectiveness reemerge from washington, d.c., on the fiscal cliff? >> zero. lou: i thought that. >> if we can keep the current tax rates, we would continue to increase government revenue. increasing 26% under the bush tax rates over the last two years. over the last two years, government revenues have risen 26%, almost a quarter using the buss tax rates. low tax rates bring more revenues, not less venues. lou: do you interpret all of the drama to be a lack of faith? in front of the growth model that has been demonstrated, as you point out, over the past two years. they are really saying the economy cannot grow fast enough to support the government. we will not see revenue increase unless we raise taxes. >> that is correct. the pre-verse thing is you don't get growth if you raise tax rates. in california and several other states that topate is approaching 50% effectively with a 50% top rate, a business have as much incentive to fire somebody to lower-cost as to hire somebody to increase revenues. lou: it is a high risk experiment, but nonetheless experiment bringing tax levels above 50%, the n
